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periods for christians around the world, it's the day they believed jesus was resurrected. happy easter to you. we'll sigh you at the top of the hour 8:00 eastern for more "new day." >> "sanjay gupta md" starts right now. welcome to "sg md," we've got a lot to get to today, including this -- parents in trouble for using marijuana legally. we'll explain. plus, bob harper he's going to stop by, he'll tell us about the food you need to get fit. but first as you may know i'm just back from africa where i had the frightening experience of reporting pretty close up on this disease that kills up to 90% of the people it infects, it's ebola, and the safety measures these doctors have to take to treat people to keep it under control, they are just remarkable. you're about to go inside an isolation ward in guinea. there's a reason you may not have seen images like this before. these patients are fighting one of the deadliest diseases in the
world, ebola. it has disarmed their immune system, shut off their blood's ability to clot and invaded the organs in their body. up to nine out of ten patients will die. but this horror is isolated in conakry, guinea. we found traffic to still be busy here. markets are full. children, lots of children, still smiling. you see, as scary as ebola is, it's not particularly contagious. it doesn't disperse easily through the air and it doesn't live long on surfaces either and people don't typically spread it until they're sick, really sick. and when that is the case, the patients are not up walking around on the busy streets, they are down in bed in hospitals or worse. even the dead are highly contagious. >> the story is always the same.
>> dr. pierre rolen of the cdc has helped trace ebola outbreaks for many years. >> the risk is not the people dealing with ebola patient it's the people dealing with regular patient not thinking of ebola. >> it only takes a small amount of the virus anywhere on your skin to cause an infection and as i learned, no precaution is too small for the doctors who care for these patients. so, nothing gets in. >> nothing gets out. >> nothing gets out. tim is one of the doctors without borders. he's from canada. he comes into these settings for weeks at a time. he is not married. he has no children. that would be a job liability he tells me. like this? multiple pairs of gloves and masks. the head is completely covered. a multi-layer gown, boots and then an apron. it's positively suffocating in the 100-degree weather. >> these are the final pair of gloves we put on. >> preparing to treat a patient with ebola is like preparing to land on the moon, but you're their only visitor, the only
person helping them survive. they do this so people outside these wards, the people on the streets, will never know what it's like to be inside. and i can tell you i'm so far on this latest outbreak, there are more than 220 people who have been infected, at least 135 have died. where i was in guinea where you saw there that's where the majority of the cases were but people have also become infected and died in neighboring liberia making this one of the most widespread outbreaks in history. monday is the boston marathon, the site of that tragic bombing one year ago. you know, like a lot of people i was so touched by the strength of those people who were hurt, but who had survived. in fact, i spent time with mark fukrio, he was the last person to leave the hospital and i remember thinking at the time would he ever get his life back together. well, that was then. this is now. it's what every couple dreams of on their wedding day, a simple dance.
but a year that should have been spent planning their big day, instead has been filled with pain and loss. when we first met a few weeks after the boston marathon bombings, mark was weighing a difficult decision. he'd already lost his right leg. >> oh, that hurts. >> the big question, would he keep his left leg. it was riddled with problems. not the least of which was pain. searing pain. almost palpable even to me. >> sometimes i feel like, i just know, i just know it's going to be hard forever with this leg. >> we knew mark was facing a long road, so i was a little apprehensive when i went to visit him earlier this month. i didn't know what to expect seeing you now. whether you would be a broken-down guy who is frustrated, depressed and angry or you're going to be a guy that looks like you. >> it wouldn't break me.
it would have to be a lot worse and i still don't think if it was a lot worse it would break me. >> he's not broken but he's also not whole. the pain and the indecision about his leg still nags him. is there a point when you say that decision has been made, i am keeping this leg? >> it's going to be more the other way. it's going to be a point where i say i'm taking this leg off. >> that could still happen. >> oh, yeah. >> he knows that keeping this problematic limb likely means spending the rest of his life in and out of hospitals, but at least for now hope sustains him. instead of mourning what was lost that day, mark and his fiancee jen will celebrate by getting married, a year and two days after the bombs went off. you wanted to dance at your wedding. >> yep. >> you going to do that? >> i'm going to make sure i can, yeah. still trying. yeah. >> practicing your moves? >> a little bit, yeah.
>> as it turned out, he did dance, on a prosthesis and on his left leg. still intact for now. how have you changed over this past year? >> i didn't know i was as strong as i am, you know? i didn't think i was as tough. i didn't think i could endure so much. life is a decision. you make a choice, you either live or you don't, you know, like, you sit and dwell on the negative or you live and enjoy the positive. >> here's wishing mark and jen the best of luck. you know, he's a charming guy. he's got a lot going for him, but he's got some tough decisions ahead still obviously with that leg. good luck, mark. up next, as if medical marijuana weren't controversial enough, we certainly know that on this program, there's a new twist to all this. some kids are being taken from their parents it appears because of marijuana use that's actually legal under state law. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu.
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>> sir, they have a court and prevention order signed by a judge. >> this is difficult to watch. >> why are you people doing this? >> children removed from their homes by child welfare officials, but at the center of these cases medical marijuana. >> i want you to understand that your baby doesn't need to be subjected to marijuana. >> what makes you think he is? >> because your house really smells bad of marijuana. >> shawny anderson and aaron hillier live in northern california and early in january the couple had a loud argument and the police showed up. >> you are wanting to take my child away because we had an argument. >> they discovered a home in disarray and this. >> because the marijuana laying out here. >> the scene isn't pretty, but according to california law it's not illegal either. anderson and hillier have legal prescriptions for marijuana. >> i was pleading with them, look, you guys, i understand your perception, but we are wonderful parents, hard working.
they just kept telling us, oh, no, no, they couldn't conceive of the fact that you can be a wonderful parent, decent human being, and medicate with marijuana. >> a social worker placed the couple's 11-month-old son into protective custody. we wanted to get more insight into their reasoning. but cps, child protective services, won't speak about individual cases. but here's what a spokesman did say they look for. >> is there a danger to the child. is the child being neglected. is there a safety, you know, hazard that could potentially put that child in harm's way. >> and he noted cps policy does not differentiate between medical marijuana and nonmedical use. bridgette feistailer studies medical marijuana and its relationship to parenting. >> drug use and drug abuse for years have been looked at as a risk factor for child abuse and neglect, so now you make marijuana more easily
accessible, more easily available, and the concern is, is it going to alter their parenting behaviors. and we don't -- the reality is, we don't know. >> oftentimes there's a knee-jerk reaction. >> jennifer anni an attorney representing hillier and anderson said cps should dig deeper into cases involving medical marijuana. >> what the social worker is supposed to do is look at a case by case basis at individual circumstances and that's what's not happening. >> there you go. >> hillier and anderson said a deeper inspection would have found no danger, that they're doting parents gainfully employed. >> you're silly. >> ultimately the parents' son spent 12 days in foster care. >> i -- i -- worst nightmare ever. i can't really imagine anybody having to go through anything more difficult. >> they still face significant legal hurdles and concerns that they'll lose him again.
>> but there are family out there destroyed over a medicinal plant. it's baffling. it's really just baffling. >> you know, this issue has come up in several states. and even colorado lawmakers are now debating a proposal whether to make it easier to take children away when marijuana is in the home even though it's legal under state law. this is only going to heat up as more and more people, more and more parents, come to use this medication. whether medically or recreationally. up next on "sg md," bob parker will stop by. harper will stop by. he's paving the way to quick and permanent weight loss.
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challenge culminates in the big malibu race five months from now. getting a little nervous. our athletes have been training hard but, you know, exercise is just part of the equation. you, of course, recognize bob harper from nbc's "the biggest loser." he looks like he could crush a triathlon right now. but he's still got time to write a book, "skinny meals everything you need to know to lose weight fast." it's full of recipes. we put it up on our website because people want to know this, bob, as you know. i like talking to you in part selfishly because i have a lot of questions from myself. and these rules, you know, i adopted a lot of rules from the last time we spoke and it really makes a big difference in people's lives. welcome back to the program first of all. >> thanks very much for having me here. i always enjoy talking to you. >> same here. let me go through a couple of the rules and then i got a couple of specific questions about training overall. but first things first and i say
this all the time, we walk around i think as a society chronically dehydrated. >> yeah. >> we tend to reach for foot when we are, in fact, thirsty. you say drink a large glass of water before every meal no excuses. is that right? >> yeah. what i try to do is a set of routine for people. i think one thing i have found working on "the biggest loser" for now 15 ceases is that people are lacking a routine. so, if i can get them to drink a large glass of water when they get up in the morning and before every single meal, you're going to be naturally hydrated just like you said, those times that you're feeling hungry, chances are you are probably dehydrated. and if you have that big glass of water before you have that meal, chances are you're going >> we're also both big believers of breakfast. my saying is, and i think we talked about this last time. eat breakfast like a king, eat lunch like a prince and eat dinner like a peasant. and breakfast is a tough sell for a lot of people.
why do you think that is? >> well, i think for a lot of people, chances are, especially if they're dealing with weight problems. they could get up in the morning and not feel hungry at all because their metabolism is so slow. they're probably thinking, you know what, if i'm not hungry right now, i'm going to not eat. as long as i possibly can without eating and what's going to happen then? no resolve whatsoever. bingeing will happen, overeating will happen, and it'll happen at night. at night when you're supposed to be watching every single thing you're eating. >> that's right. drink that water in the morning because you're probably dehydrated and eat breakfast. eat that so you don't back load a lot of those calories later on in the day. there are three things, i think, that become really important when you're thinking about training and your health overall. diet and exercise but also sleep. and, you know, people tend to think, okay, look, i'll forego a
little bit of sleep to get the exercise in. how do you sort of rank order, if you will, these things? >> well, i think if i had to rank order, nutrition would be number one, exercise would be number two. sleep would be number three, and then stress. i think that stress -- or stress management. i think that sleep is crucial for your brain, for your body, for your mind. it could help promote weight loss. i think that getting eight hours a sleep is also age-defying. i tell people, don't underestimate sleep because it is when your body is restoring itself. it's when your body is like getting at peace and finding that balance. and that's what we're all looking for, right? we're looking for that balance of the body. and you get that with sleep. >> yep. you know, physically and mentally. i know that you can't store memories. you just don't perform as well. none of us are perfect, bob. i have vices, you know, everybody does. mine is ice cream. one of the things we do is try
not to keep it in the home. i've got to actually have some effort if i want to have ice cream. do you have a vice, a splurge thing you do, as well? >> well, i think that what you just said, no the keeping it in the house is so smart. i tell people all the time, clear out those temptations. you get home at night and you're exhausted and if there's a big chocolate bar sitting in your cupboard, you're going to eat it. so get it out, but, in regard to my splurge, i go for more savory. i don't want the ice cream as much as the chips and guacamole. give me italian food. i like that, savory. >> you know, bob, your books are great. i don't know where you find the time to write them, but they're great. and they're simple rules but make a lot of sense. and as i said, i have a -- >> thanks so much, it's so nice talking to you always. >> you too, bob. thanks for joining us. up next on "sgmd," heaven is
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>> is this him? >> yeah. that's him. that's pop. >> that's a clip there from the new movie called heaven is for real starring greg kinnear. and he plays the pastor whose son came back from a near death experience claiming to have visited heaven. thanks, welcome to the program. >> thanks for having me. i'm glad to be here. >> thank you. i want to get into some of the details here of this whole story in a minute. but in that clip that we just saw, what was your reaction? you were, what greg kinnear's character is. >> yes. >> what was your reaction when your son told you that? >> well, i think when he could recognize a picture of my granddad taken back in the 1940s, it totally takes away all those explanations of the drugs and chemicals causing his brain to play tricks on him and give him memories he never had. that picture that he recognized of my grandfather, he had never seen before.
so i was convinced that the only explanation for him recognizing that picture is he had to meet my grandfather somewhere besides here. >> let me back up the story a little bit for people who don't know it. back in february of 2003, you think your son has the stomach flu, turns out to be appendicitis, he was very sick in the hospital. what happened at that point? what did the doctors tell you was happening to your son colton. >> well, when they put him in emergency surgery, he was so sick. i remember asking the doctor if my son was going to be fine. and he looked at me and didn't say anything. but in that surgery is where my son says he closed his eyes and spiritually opened them and found himself sitting on jesus' lap in that first surgery. >> i do wonder, you know, as a -- again, from a neuroscience perspective. when you look at something like what happened to colton, you think there are so many different things happening in the brain at that time, memories
that seem remote take on a significance. you see different sorts of images during sort of comatose like state. sort of many neuroscience explanations, perhaps, for what may have happened to him. does that change it for you? if someone says, look, here is a scientific explanation for what happened to colton? >> well, i think what really impacted me the most is when i talked to colton's surgeon. when he started talking to me about things like this, i wanted to check his medical records. and i asked him, did he ever flat line or code? and i remember talking to the doctor directly about this because he was the main surgeon operating on colton and was quickly to tell me, oh, he's not my first person who has had an out of body experience. while i've had people code tell us where we were, who came in the room, what we did on him. as a matter of fact, the doctor was very much not surprised by what colton was sharing with him, and that was a surprise to me. >> well, again, i appreciate you sharing the story.
i think, you know, there's always this tension, as you know, pastor, between science and obviously personal accounts are what they are. >>larry: exactly. >> but i think it's a good discussion to have. i hope you appreciated the questions i asked you and i appreciate you being on the program. >> thank you for having me. >> that's all the time we've got for "sgmd" today, "new day sunday" continues right now with randi kaye and victor blackwell. good morning, everyone, i'm randi kaye. >> now 8:00 here on the east coast, this is "new day sunday." and first this morning, divers are back in the murky waters off south korea's coast. >> they are inching through a sunken ferry hoping to find survivors. but so far, they're only coming across bodies. they're bringing those bodies back to shore one-by-one as heartbroken families are watching. >> the death toll from wednesday's disaster has been climbing all morning. right